Post by: peanut2 on August 21, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Our 2011 Nissan Patrol ute 3L has sh*t itself - I know surprise, surprise. :)
Anyway our conversion options are an LS1 (v8) motor or an HDFTE (4.8). Because of the year model, we have to remain within the standards for emission control, so we can't just go and install just any motor.
We use this ute mainly for towing a gooseneck horsefloat, or caravan or camper trailer. It is also used for collecting a couple of round bales of hay. This is just a bit of background info. Also, it probably only does around 10000km/year.
What are your thoughts?
Peanut
Post by: dales133 on August 21, 2016, 11:10:54 AM
As you probably know you can buy a complete kit so enginering and instalations relitivly easy from what ive heard.
The other plus is power to weight ratio is good and tons of hp upgrade mods for them.
Just get a pre drive by wire engine
Post by: edz on August 21, 2016, 12:01:53 PM
A lot depends on what you or your mates are capable in doing to help drop the costs involved ..Do you have the time / space know how to do the conversion etc or are you going to have to farm it all out to a mechanic at $100 + an hour .
Post by: 99disco on August 21, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
The 1hdfte won't pass euro4 emissions which is why it was discontinued in Australia after 2006. Depending on budget the best option is a duramax but you'll need pockets roughly twice as deep as an ls2 conversion.
Shane
Post by: achjimmy on August 21, 2016, 12:09:20 PM
Post by: Traveller on August 21, 2016, 01:16:52 PM
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/zd-not-zd-337105/ (http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/zd-not-zd-337105/)
Post by: kylarama on August 21, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
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Post by: oldmate on August 21, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
Post by: Craig Tomkinson on August 21, 2016, 04:13:51 PM
Post by: peanut2 on August 21, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
Peanut
Post by: oldmate on August 21, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
So no-one would consider the landcruiser hdfte 4.8 over the LS1? Obviously diehard Patrol fans would not contemplate it.
Peanut
i did, but decided against a conversion altogether
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: peanut2
Anyway our conversion options are an LS1 (v8) motor or an HDFTE (4.8).google for Project Toni.. dude did a cruiser conversion years ago amazing work...
dude in our club just fitted the Duramax and nothing but issues... but when it goes, 300rwkw - it goes!
nutha dude has gone top shelf - TD42T. best of all worlds
Post by: achjimmy on August 21, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
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The duramax is an amazing motor but the later ones that need the ad blue are giving a bit of grief. I reckon you still can't neat the LS conversion for simplicity, power and economy.the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.
Post by: achjimmy on August 21, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.
It's just a motor Bruce. The two LS convertions have been faultless no reason a duramax shouldn't be. But as I said mate had a 2015 2500 and the ad blue motor is a pain. Run any diesel other than BP and your in for it. Best way to do any conversion is a donar car then you can make sure you get everything. Maybe that's the issue with the duramax convertions ?
Post by: GeoffA on August 21, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.
Some very dodgey operators too. Promise the world, take a deposit, and deliver NOTHING.
Caveat emptor.....
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2016, 05:44:07 PM
Some very dodgey operators too. Promise the world, take a deposit, and deliver NOTHING.Understatement.. your on patrol forum.. you know the go!
Caveat emptor.....
Sadly mate had one fitted out Warrigul by an Expert.. th airbox wasn't connected to motor.. = motor ****d.. even the housing for starter had been welded back on!!!
So he took to another "expert" to have a report done on it, and it rebuilt, found out it was too rooted to rebuild.. was promised new motor months ago... still waiting for it.. its parked next to another mate who has waited nearly 12mths for his engine replacement....
Post by: 99disco on August 21, 2016, 09:09:31 PM
So no-one would consider the landcruiser hdfte 4.8 over the LS1? Obviously diehard Patrol fans would not contemplate it.
Peanut
As I said above they don't comply with 2011 emissions and they're actually a 4.2 not a 4.8
Post by: moose2367 on August 21, 2016, 09:55:48 PM
My 6.7 is an 07 model, euro4. 300hp, 1200nm(depending on calibration) no egr, no dpf, no adblue
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Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on August 22, 2016, 07:19:42 AM
Because of the year model, we have to remain within the standards for emission control, so we can't just go and install just any motor.
Peanut
edit, was thinking capacity, not emissions.
have just being through this, and ended up fixing the 3lt
You're boring.
Post by: GUEY on August 22, 2016, 08:20:21 AM
have just being through this, and ended up fixing the 3lt
I was wondering which way you ended up going.
A forum member on here fitted a Ford Barra 4L 6 cylinder out of a BA - FG Falcon to a Patrol wagon. Looked like a really neat conversion. Those Barra engines are pretty bullet proof and you can pick up low k units from wreckers complete with accessories and harness for well under $1000. No where near as grunty as an LS1, but with 190kw. It would go pretty good with reasonable economy.
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Yeah FG with the six speed auto. Goes really good and a pleasure to drive, but probably wouldn't do it again given a choice. Too many electrical headaches. But you will find that with most conversion options that need to meet that years emissions.
Post by: oldmate on August 22, 2016, 08:36:23 AM
I was wondering which way you ended up going.
Yeah FG with the six speed auto. Goes really good and a pleasure to drive, but probably wouldn't do it again given a choice. Too many electrical headaches. But you will find that with most conversion options that need to meet that years emissions.
Yeah mate, after our chat and with a few others I decided that for a wife's daily drive I just needed it to run. If it was a toy or my casual drive and I had time to chase any problems that may occur, maybe I would of done it.
Post by: Joff on August 22, 2016, 09:34:32 AM
Post by: edz on August 22, 2016, 10:11:10 AM
http://www.elgas.com.au/autogas-lpg-cars?gclid=CJW9gPPd084CFQNxvAodnmoMSw (http://www.elgas.com.au/autogas-lpg-cars?gclid=CJW9gPPd084CFQNxvAodnmoMSw)
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 10:39:45 AM
Post by: oldmate on August 22, 2016, 01:14:07 PM
You're boring.
Dont worry man, if it hadnt being the wifes car, id probably would of happened.
Post by: oldmate on August 22, 2016, 01:16:31 PM
https://cumminsengines.com/pickup-trucksaw quite a few titans when i was over there, awesome looking truck
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on August 22, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
Dont worry man, if it hadnt being the wifes car, id probably would of happened.
Can't wait for the wife to get a new car, cause the LS1 is coming out of it and into mine ;D
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: oldmate
saw quite a few titans when i was over there, awesome looking truck
There was a right hand drive one you could win at the show on the weekend... Done by James Hill at American Autos in Rowville....
They are HUGE.. the passengers doors were bigger than the front doors..
Post by: peanut2 on August 22, 2016, 04:03:24 PM
Peanut
Post by: 99disco on August 22, 2016, 04:05:45 PM
Thank you all for the replies so far. It is a big decision due to the cost, so wanted to get a few opinions. As this vehicle does a lot of towing - just wondering how thirsty the LS motors would be.What sort of weight do you tow and how often would you say?
Peanut
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: peanut2
Thank you all for the replies so far. It is a big decision due to the cost, so wanted to get a few opinions. As this vehicle does a lot of towing - just wondering how thirsty the LS motors would be.
a fair whack more thirsty than a grenade, but would also last a lot longer than a grenade with power to spare..
or
http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/ (http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/) but use KY when you get the price.
http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/bell-housing-adaptors/nissan/ls-v8-engines.html (http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/bell-housing-adaptors/nissan/ls-v8-engines.html)
http://dellowconversions.com.au/product/conversion-kit-manual-chev-v8-ls-1-2-3-to-nissan-patrol-gq-gu-5-speed/ (http://dellowconversions.com.au/product/conversion-kit-manual-chev-v8-ls-1-2-3-to-nissan-patrol-gq-gu-5-speed/)
Post by: peanut2 on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
What sort of weight do you tow and how often would you say?
Mainly a gooseneck horsefloat. Loaded would be the equivalent of say towing a normal 3t trailer. The gooseneck (4.5t) is attached to the middle of the tray, rather than the rear of the vehicle. We also tow a normal horsefloat and also a caravan. Of the 10000km/year, probably 75% of that is towing kms.
Peanut
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
5.9ltr
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=202181769825285&story_fbid=548129045230554 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=202181769825285&story_fbid=548129045230554)
Post by: Green rv on August 22, 2016, 04:24:25 PM
i saw a patrol ute 4.2 td for sale on the weekend on anzac ave redcliffe
about 17k
saw it as i was driving past and it had the 4.2 stickers on the side so i can only guess its a 4.2
might be worth a look
http://www.redcliffewholesalecars.com.au/view.php/wholesale_used_cars_redcliffe/2005_Nissan_Patrol_GU_II_DX_White_5_Speed_Manual_Cab_Chassis/11752665/ (http://www.redcliffewholesalecars.com.au/view.php/wholesale_used_cars_redcliffe/2005_Nissan_Patrol_GU_II_DX_White_5_Speed_Manual_Cab_Chassis/11752665/)
:cheers:
Adam
Post by: 99disco on August 22, 2016, 07:41:46 PM
Mainly a gooseneck horsefloat. Loaded would be the equivalent of say towing a normal 3t trailer. The gooseneck (4.5t) is attached to the middle of the tray, rather than the rear of the vehicle. We also tow a normal horsefloat and also a caravan. Of the 10000km/year, probably 75% of that is towing kms.
Peanut
If that's the intended use I would say you'd be disappointed with an ls1 conversion, not saying their not good but their designed for a 2.5t commodore not hauling 6.5-7t with the aerodynamics of a house.
I know it's a lot of dough but I honestly stand by a duramax for that sort of use, for the money Brunswick diesels are asking for a boat anchor 6.5 I'd put an extra ~ $5000 with it for the duramax.
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: 99disco
If that's the intended use I would say you'd be disappointed with an ls1 conversion, not saying their not good but their designed for a 2.5t commodore not hauling 6.5-7t with the aerodynamics of a house.
he was expecting and doing it using a 3ltr!!!! he's be rubbin one off with a LS1....
Quote
I know it's a lot of dough but I honestly stand by a duramax for that sort of use, for the money Brunswick diesels are asking for a boat anchor 6.5 I'd put an extra ~ $5000 with it for the duramax.30k for Chev 6.5
bout 50k for the Duramax, drive in drive out isn't good value in any of my books. and most conversions I've heard of first hand have been nightmares
Whats your budget ???
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on August 22, 2016, 08:03:07 PM
Before he committed he asked me what it would cost and I told him $15k+ if he did it himself. He knew better and thought $7k tops, as he was doing it himself.
Last figure he told me was $16k and it still wasn't wired, tuned or close to running. It's running now and he loves it.
Anywho, his running 3L was still sitting in the corner of his workshop last time I was there. If it's still there, his wife would sell it for beer money, as it was 'blown up beyond repair,' hence the LS3 conversion.
Let me know if you want me to see if it's still there. Only a couple of hours from Kingaroy on the Sunshine Coast.
Shane.
Post by: 99disco on August 22, 2016, 08:24:39 PM
he was expecting and doing it using a 3ltr!!!! he's be rubbin one off with a LS1....
30k for Chev 6.5
bout 50k for the Duramax, drive in drive out isn't good value in any of my books. and most conversions I've heard of first hand have been nightmares
Whats your budget ???
Last 2 people I've personally spoken to payed $38k from Brunswick for turbo intercool 6.5 kkk advertises duramax for $45k
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2016, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: 99disco
Last 2 people I've personally spoken to payed $38k from Brunswick for turbo intercool 6.5 kkk advertises duramax for $45khaven't spoken to anyone bout th 6.5 since I looked into it myself yonks ago, but there are unlimited extras, like types of radiator/starter all adding up fast..
And the 3 dudes I know with duramax, one was Qld by the original "expert", but it Shit itself on the way back to Melb after picking it up and had to be flat trucked back to Melb... but he imported his own engine/box... its since then caught fire too.
and other 2 paid drive in/drive out in Melb, both 50k... both have had nothing but issues...
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on August 23, 2016, 01:18:28 AM
haven't spoken to anyone bout th 6.5 since I looked into it myself yonks ago, but there are unlimited extras, like types of radiator/starter all adding up fast..
And the 3 dudes I know with duramax, one was Qld by the original "expert", but it Shit itself on the way back to Melb after picking it up and had to be flat trucked back to Melb... but he imported his own engine/box... its since then caught fire too.
and other 2 paid drive in/drive out in Melb, both 50k... both have had nothing but issues...
Did the drive in/out include a business in Richmond (Melb.) Bruce?
Post by: Bird on August 23, 2016, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Cruiser 105Tvan
Did the drive in/out include a business in Richmond (Melb.) Bruce?Nope. one was Warrigul area other I'm not sure on
Post by: fergy on August 23, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
what would one expect to import a chevy ute with a 6.7lt and auto for?
can you just get a front cut?
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on August 23, 2016, 10:40:31 AM
just to get way off topic
what would one expect to import a chevy ute with a 6.7lt and auto for?
can you just get a front cut?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Silverado-2500-CREW-CAB-4WD-/262586932004?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d23669b24:g:3ZMAAOSwMtxXt4vB&item=262586932004 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Silverado-2500-CREW-CAB-4WD-/262586932004?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d23669b24:g:3ZMAAOSwMtxXt4vB&item=262586932004)
Bring it in as parts (bit of mucking around, but can be done) on a RO-RO and would owe you around $20k landed. Probably regain $5k in the body, diffs etc.
Post by: fergy on August 23, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
thanks shane
Post by: hempo on August 23, 2016, 05:01:54 PM
Only 50,000 km on the 3 litre? Any idea what is wrong? It is not a grenade as they were the earlier models.
Appreciate you are towing heavy loads. Too under powered for that purpose.
If you really want to keep the patrol repair/replace the 3 litre as others have said then get it well tuned and perhaps an ECU remap. Apparently the remap will provide some additional much needed power.
Also join patrol4x4 and nissanpatrol forums for a read.
Cheers
Post by: Alan Loy on August 23, 2016, 05:41:04 PM
Whether this would be enough for your needs is a different matter. You could go to a bigger turbo ???
Post by: Woore on August 24, 2016, 08:45:10 PM
Post by: Joff on August 25, 2016, 08:50:06 AM
It is not a grenade as they were the earlier models.
They are all grenades. worst thing Nissan ever did to the Patrol
Post by: 99disco on August 25, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
They are all grenades. worst thing Nissan ever did to the Patrol
I'm yet to see reports of a crd version "grenading" like the di did ie cracked Pistons ect.
Post by: Joff on August 25, 2016, 11:38:43 AM
I'm yet to see reports of a crd version "grenading" like the di did ie cracked Pistons ect.
What is the OP's - 2011?
I don't think you can define 'grenading' as just no.4 piston meltdown. That motor and it's boost and fueling systems has been giving Nissan and it's owners trouble for 15 years.
Mind you, Ford may yet find that they have a similar experience with the 5cyl Ranger if reports are correct.
Post by: prodigyrf on August 25, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
http://chiptuning.com.au/nissan-zd30-engine-protection/ (http://chiptuning.com.au/nissan-zd30-engine-protection/)
They tell me you buy a diesel to save money on fuel. Bwahahahahahah!
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on August 25, 2016, 01:47:49 PM
What is the OP's - 2011?
That motor and it's boost and fueling systems has been giving Nissan and it's owners trouble for 15 years.
1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.
Post by: prodigyrf on August 25, 2016, 05:50:29 PM
1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.
But the same capacity 1KZ-TE Toyota diesel didn't crap itself but it's the increasingly stringent pollution requirements that are finding out these diesels nowadays and VW's antics showed they're at the technical limit now. Diesels are finished for domestic applications.
Post by: 99disco on August 25, 2016, 07:35:01 PM
But the same capacity 1KZ-TE Toyota diesel didn't crap itself but it's the increasingly stringent pollution requirements that are finding out these diesels nowadays and VW's antics showed they're at the technical limit now. Diesels are finished for domestic applications.
Your dead right. Europe has already announced they'll no longer allow the diesel 200 series and there's more to come as emissions get tighter and tighter. I used to think our next car would be a 200 series but I'm leaning more and more towards the y62 patrol. Guys with them are reporting very similar fuel figures to the 200 without all the hassles of emission crap or the worry of picking up bad fuel.
Post by: prodigyrf on August 26, 2016, 12:25:11 AM
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/08/kia-s-diesel-mild-hybrid-could-be-scuttled-thanks-to-dieselgate.html (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/08/kia-s-diesel-mild-hybrid-could-be-scuttled-thanks-to-dieselgate.html)
Post by: Joff on August 26, 2016, 12:07:40 PM
Your dead right. Europe has already announced they'll no longer allow the diesel 200 series and there's more to come as emissions get tighter and tighter. I used to think our next car would be a 200 series but I'm leaning more and more towards the y62 patrol. Guys with them are reporting very similar fuel figures to the 200 without all the hassles of emission crap or the worry of picking up bad fuel.
That's a bit drastic >:D there is a petrol 200 series still I think. No need to get desperate :cup:
Post by: 99disco on August 26, 2016, 12:28:19 PM
That's a bit drastic >:D there is a petrol 200 series still I think. No need to get desperate :cup:
200 petrol 227kw 439nm
Y62 petrol 298kw 560nm
I know where I'd be going.
Post by: Joff on August 26, 2016, 02:03:23 PM
200 petrol 227kw 439nm
Y62 petrol 298kw 560nm
I know where I'd be going.
if that's all that matters then Dodge Ram 276kW 1084Nm :laugh:
Post by: Bird on August 26, 2016, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: Footy Shorts Shane
1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.even worse with 4.5t.... Nothing will beat a bit lazy donk for the work
Post by: 99disco on August 26, 2016, 02:50:55 PM
if that's all that matters then Dodge Ram 276kW 1084Nm :laugh:
That's what matters between those two.
Post by: Bird on August 26, 2016, 03:13:56 PM
the rear passenger space was MASSIVE... reminded me of a typical 1950's American car.. HUGE
as was the tub.
Post by: peanut2 on August 26, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
What has the 3l done mate, what was the failure?
Shane
Spat the dipstick and pumped approx 2l oil out of the sump and it blows a heap of white smoke. Cleaned it up and added more oil and it idles, but misses really badly above an idle and still blowing smoke.
Peanut
Post by: Rainsey on August 26, 2016, 07:51:43 PM
a fair whack more thirsty than a grenade, but would also last a lot longer than a grenade with power to spare..
or
http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/ (http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/) but use KY when you get the price.
http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/bell-housing-adaptors/nissan/ls-v8-engines.html (http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/bell-housing-adaptors/nissan/ls-v8-engines.html)
http://dellowconversions.com.au/product/conversion-kit-manual-chev-v8-ls-1-2-3-to-nissan-patrol-gq-gu-5-speed/ (http://dellowconversions.com.au/product/conversion-kit-manual-chev-v8-ls-1-2-3-to-nissan-patrol-gq-gu-5-speed/)
I have been sitting on the side line but I have an issue with being too quiet...
There has been a bit of diatribe of the cost of Brunswick vs Duramax.
There is no doubt that the Duramax with the Alison is a brilliant modern day upgrade. My comment on it though is that the cost that many have stated is ... Should I say optimistic.
Some time back I contacted Australian Duramax Conversions. I was told over the phone that I should set aside at least $45 to $49k. This was baseline superficial costs.
In speaking to a couple of people that have done the conversion, they suggested setting aside at least another $10k for incidental costs. This did not include the period of time that one would be without their vehicle. At that time, up to 2 months minimum. I am not equipped to be able to do my own conversions.
Location for the conversions was interstate so add to this transport. So add a couple of K to this figure.
All up, on basic upgrade costs, it was going to cost me at least $59k.
I opted for a Brunswick upgrade. It cost me $33k drive in drive out. Add $1.5 k in transportation costs it came in at $34.5k. I also got a 500kg GVM upgrade.
Does it have the performance of a Duramax.. Probably no way as I have not driven one.. But there are a couple of things to consider...
1: outright cost.
2: outcome vs needs
3: customer service
So .. From an outright cost perspective.. If I was to look at an engine upgrade and an Auto transmission upgrade ... It probably comes in on par... If you can find someone you trust to do it. Btw, the engine I got was a brand new crated engine, not recondition or re purposed.
From a needs perspective, the 6.5 chev exceeds expectations as I am not after out right performance.. Just towing capability.
From a customer service perspective .. There is no comparison. These guys are absolutely awesome. So from this side of things, one has to weigh up ... Great performance with crap and no customer support or something that is going to get support wherever you are.
Sorry for the long post but there is more to an upgrade than brute performance. One needs to look at actual needs and how you are going to be supported after the fact, and the cost associated with it.
Do the qualitative research, leave those that know a person that knows a person that has a conversion done behind, and get on the blower to those that actually have one done.
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Post by: moose2367 on August 26, 2016, 08:06:45 PM
Put them in the same basket as XRO racing
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Post by: Rainsey on August 26, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
Australian Duramax Conversions are a company no one should deal with. They have taken money from many people and delivered nothing.Don't know who XRO are but ADC... Totally agree. Anyone that has any thoughts of using them... Go to the Patrol 4x4 forum first and do a search. I'll say no more.
Put them in the same basket as XRO racing
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Post by: Bird on August 26, 2016, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: moose2367
Australian Duramax Conversions are a company no one should deal with. They have taken money from many people and delivered nothing.
2 of the GU's I mentioned are there... One would be nearly 12mths now... the other is waiting for his replacement engine to come by Express budgie from Mars....
Post by: Rumpig on August 26, 2016, 08:25:29 PM
Don't know who XRO are.......Outerlimits forum had a thread dedicated to that guy, seemed many a person got burned by him over the years. From memory he was on the Sunshine Coast here in Qld I think.
Post by: Rainsey on August 26, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
Outerlimits forum had a thread dedicated to that guy, seemed many a person got burned by him over the years. From memory he was on the Sunshine Coast here in Qld I think.Can't help myself ...
When I was researching engine conversions, rather than posts and email I tried to speak to people directly. One of the guys that had a Brunswick conversion had already put $25k down on a ADC conversion and is still to get his money back. He did a Brunswick conversion as his engine finally died close by them and they got him back on the road.
Bottom line, speak directly to people that have done conversions, many that have and are happy will offer test drives in their vehicles. Take the time, do it ..
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Post by: Rumpig on August 26, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
Can't help myself ...not interested in doing a conversion myself... I got a quote to chuck a Duramax into my 105 series by a local Qld guy, the price turned me off doing it and I bought a dual cab 79 series instead. For the price it costs to do such a conversion, I personally would want a brand new motor in my vehicle, not a secondhand motor. I drove a Brunswick diesel converted Cruiser not long before selling my 105 series, it went ok I thought, but I still baulked at the idea of spending that much coin (even though it's cheaper then a Duramax) and not get a new motor in my vehicle.
When I was researching engine conversions, rather than posts and email I tried to speak to people directly. One of the guys that had a Brunswick conversion had already put $25k down on a ADC conversion and is still to get his money back. He did a Brunswick conversion as his engine finally died close by them and they got him back on the road.
Bottom line, speak directly to people that have done conversions, many that have and are happy will offer test drives in their vehicles. Take the time, do it ..
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Post by: Rainsey on August 26, 2016, 09:35:01 PM
not interested in doing a conversion myself... I got a quote to chuck a Duramax into my 105 series by a local Qld guy, the price turned me off doing it and I bought a dual cab 79 series instead. For the price it costs to do such a conversion, I personally would want a brand new motor in my vehicle, not a secondhand motor. I drove a Brunswick diesel converted Cruiser not long before selling my 105 series, it went ok I thought, but I still baulked at the idea of spending that much coin (even though it's cheaper then a Duramax) and not get a new motor in my vehicle.Yes I went through a whole rationalisation process. I looked at the price I could sell my truck for, the cost of what it would be to replace, and my only replacement was 79 series LC.
I also looked at needs, like wagon vs ute. I desperately wanted a ute, but did not want the extra wheel base of the LC, and then I looked at the cost of getting something identical in level as what I had.
Ultimately, the initial cost came out even. My deciding factor was on the fact that I had already got my vehicle up to where I wanted it and it's comfort and size.
The big decider was that for what I could ultimately afford, a 79 series would be around the same age as the Patrol I already have and hence the risk of having the same issues I had.
What I ended up with is a brand new engine, no electronics to get flooded, but probably aged technology. But ... The cost of maintenance compared to a common rail has to be cheaper.
Who knows... I may have made a mistake but at the moment, I can't wipe the smile off my face.
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Post by: Bird on September 17, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
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. One would be nearly 12mths now...actually 12 mths next week
Post by: 99disco on September 17, 2016, 02:31:54 PM
I have been sitting on the side line but I have an issue with being too quiet...
There has been a bit of diatribe of the cost of Brunswick vs Duramax.
There is no doubt that the Duramax with the Alison is a brilliant modern day upgrade. My comment on it though is that the cost that many have stated is ... Should I say optimistic.
Some time back I contacted Australian Duramax Conversions. I was told over the phone that I should set aside at least $45 to $49k. This was baseline superficial costs.
In speaking to a couple of people that have done the conversion, they suggested setting aside at least another $10k for incidental costs. This did not include the period of time that one would be without their vehicle. At that time, up to 2 months minimum. I am not equipped to be able to do my own conversions.
Location for the conversions was interstate so add to this transport. So add a couple of K to this figure.
All up, on basic upgrade costs, it was going to cost me at least $59k.
I opted for a Brunswick upgrade. It cost me $33k drive in drive out. Add $1.5 k in transportation costs it came in at $34.5k. I also got a 500kg GVM upgrade.
Does it have the performance of a Duramax.. Probably no way as I have not driven one.. But there are a couple of things to consider...
1: outright cost.
2: outcome vs needs
3: customer service
So .. From an outright cost perspective.. If I was to look at an engine upgrade and an Auto transmission upgrade ... It probably comes in on par... If you can find someone you trust to do it. Btw, the engine I got was a brand new crated engine, not recondition or re purposed.
From a needs perspective, the 6.5 chev exceeds expectations as I am not after out right performance.. Just towing capability.
From a customer service perspective .. There is no comparison. These guys are absolutely awesome. So from this side of things, one has to weigh up ... Great performance with crap and no customer support or something that is going to get support wherever you are.
Sorry for the long post but there is more to an upgrade than brute performance. One needs to look at actual needs and how you are going to be supported after the fact, and the cost associated with it.
Do the qualitative research, leave those that know a person that knows a person that has a conversion done behind, and get on the blower to those that actually have one done.
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Rainsey
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Some good info there mate. So have you been overall happy with the brunny? Any problems, how long have you had it?
Sorry for all the questions but genuinely interested.
Post by: Rainsey on September 17, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Some good info there mate. So have you been overall happy with the brunny? Any problems, how long have you had it?
Sorry for all the questions but genuinely interested.
Don't be sorry, if you don't ask you don't know!
Ok, to answer your questions ...
Overall happy ... Oh yeah, big time.
How long have I had it ... Only now 3 weeks.
Observations :-
Performance:- it definitely is not a sports car... Acceleration ... Does not exist.
Torque :- Oh yeah ... Tow a Tvan behind a Nissan Patrol ... Now I do not even know it is behind me.
Fuel Economy :- actually better than the ZD30.
Bottom line it is a very old engine, No smarts, no capability of chiping or advanced tuning. Positive side from my perspective, not computer operated, next water crossing I go though I don't have to worry. No common rail hence much of the high strung fuel issues are gone. As the guys from Brunswick state, you can run it on Kero if you have to.
From a negative side, tuning using chips ... No go. Performance, .... It is a sluggish engine but it seems to be one that just does not have to prove anything. rev to 2.5K RPM and change gear. Simple as that. Also seemed to run hot under load.
From a cost perspective ... 20K cheaper than a Duramax install. Equivalent cost to selling the patrol and buying an equivalent age Land Cruiser. Negative side here is buying a vehicle with the same issues if not more and then having to spend money on upgrading to what you already had accessory wise.
Would I do I again ... Probably yes.
One thing that Brunswick do have is absolutely fantastic customer service. Any issue, a phone call is all you need to have the issue resolved. The staff are absolutely fantastic. The engineering guys are brilliant. I just purchased a spares kit ... They shipped product cheaper than I can buy locally. Nothing seems to be too much trouble for them.
If anyone is considering this conversion, PM me and I can pass on direct feedback.
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Post by: 99disco on September 17, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
Don't be sorry, if you don't ask you don't know!
Ok, to answer your questions ...
Overall happy ... Oh yeah, big time.
How long have I had it ... Only now 3 weeks.
Observations :-
Performance:- it definitely is not a sports car... Acceleration ... Does not exist.
Torque :- Oh yeah ... Tow a Tvan behind a Nissan Patrol ... Now I do not even know it is behind me.
Fuel Economy :- actually better than the ZD30.
Bottom line it is a very old engine, No smarts, no capability of chiping or advanced tuning. Positive side from my perspective, not computer operated, next water crossing I go though I don't have to worry. No common rail hence much of the high strung fuel issues are gone. As the guys from Brunswick state, you can run it on Kero if you have to.
From a negative side, tuning using chips ... No go. Performance, .... It is a sluggish engine but it seems to be one that just does not have to prove anything. rev to 2.5K RPM and change gear. Simple as that. Also seemed to run hot under load.
From a cost perspective ... 20K cheaper than a Duramax install. Equivalent cost to selling the patrol and buying an equivalent age Land Cruiser. Negative side here is buying a vehicle with the same issues if not more and then having to spend money on upgrading to what you already had accessory wise.
Would I do I again ... Probably yes.
One thing that Brunswick do have is absolutely fantastic customer service. Any issue, a phone call is all you need to have the issue resolved. The staff are absolutely fantastic. The engineering guys are brilliant. I just purchased a spares kit ... They shipped product cheaper than I can buy locally. Nothing seems to be too much trouble for them.
If anyone is considering this conversion, PM me and I can pass on direct feedback.
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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Thanks for that. We've got a crd patrol and actually live about 20km from Brunswick I really should get out there and take one for a squirt. I dream of a duramax but I just don't know if I can justify the price, hassle and general lack of knowledge about the conversion (compared to a chev). I'm generally happy with the crd performance wise (chip, exhaust and intercooler) but the constant looking at EGT and boost gauges and general worry while towing our 3t van is starting to do my head in.
Post by: Bird on September 17, 2016, 09:18:31 PM
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Thanks for that. We've got a crd patrol and actually live about 20km from Brunswick I really should get out there and take one for a squirt. I dream of a duramax but I just don't know if I can justify the price, hassle and general lack of knowledge about the conversion (compared to a chev). I'm generally happy with the crd performance wise (chip, exhaust and intercooler) but the constant looking at EGT and boost gauges and general worry while towing our 3t van is starting to do my head in.Vince is on a couple of Diesel and Duramax forums in the USA, and he has even had 'programs' to upload to his car computer emailed from the dudes over there... awesome amount of info on those forums and knowledge..
I haven't heard of 1 place yet in AU that does the duramax conversion that I'd let pump up my tyres let alone change an engine..
Like running the auto lines 1inch from the extractors and then wrapping it in this stuff as "heat protection" - is probably the reason his oil lines melted, and then his car caught fire
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mPeDlx_wgLKzitBihLc2jCA.jpg)
Post by: 99disco on September 17, 2016, 09:21:44 PM
Vince is on a couple of Diesel and Duramax forums in the USA, and he has even had 'programs' to upload to his emailed from the dudes over there... awesome amount of info on those forums and knowledge..
I haven't heard of 1 place yet in AU that does the duramax conversion that I'd let pump up my tyres let alone change an engine..
Like running the auto lines 1inch from the extractors and then wrapping it in this stuff as "heat protection" - is probably the reason his oil lines melted, and then his car caught fire
[img]http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mPeDlx_wgLKzitBihLc2jCA.jpg[img]
This is the sort of crap I'm worried about, I've followed vince's build over the years. $60k is a Shit ton of money for something with more stress than I've already got on a long trip away.
Post by: Bird on September 17, 2016, 09:26:25 PM
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This is the sort of crap I'm worried about, I've followed vince's build over the years. $60k is a Shit ton of money for something with more stress than I've already got on a long trip away.agree on the 60k... and he supplied his own engine and gbox...
Shitting itself on the way home from picking it up, after being told all sorts of stories for months waiting for it to be finished etc - was alarm bells...
when we started dismantling it and looking at it, you could tell it was being worked on as Vince was in the taxi from the airport to pick it up.. probably still putting the engine in...
When it goes, its ****ing amazing 300rwkw on 35's is mad...!
the 3 bear stories he is being told now while waiting for the "newer" engine to be fitted - hes more calm than I'd ever be. and the bloke running the company thinks everyone else is in the wrong... apparently theres 8-9 cars there waiting... and waiting.. and...
Post by: Rainsey on September 17, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
Thanks for that. We've got a crd patrol and actually live about 20km from Brunswick I really should get out there and take one for a squirt. I dream of a duramax but I just don't know if I can justify the price, hassle and general lack of knowledge about the conversion (compared to a chev). I'm generally happy with the crd performance wise (chip, exhaust and intercooler) but the constant looking at EGT and boost gauges and general worry while towing our 3t van is starting to do my head in.Last year I had 3 months off to do the Cape and across the top end. I was towing a Tvan with my ZD30. My biggest regret was that I was driving by my gauges and missed a lot of what I should have seen.
My ZD was running consistently hot, my EGT's were running ridiculously high and when driving up inclines, I had to drop back the speed to make sure the gauges all were within spec. I hated it.
Ultimately an EGT and heating issue think damaged my engine and this year a cracked head made me rethink what I was going to do.
I also dreamt of a Duramax but to be honest, the info and advice I was getting back was crap. People were taking out law suites against Duramax installers, engines were only partially being rebuilt ... What more can I say. I could not justify that much money on something I could not qualify.
When I was researching the Brunswick, I spoke to a chap that had actually put down $20K deposit on a Duramax and still had not got an engine before his ZD died.
I investigated performance upgrades for the ZD but turbo upgrades would only put a dressed engine into more stress. Hence the reason why I opted for the Brunswick upgrade. What I got was a brand new crated engine from the states with a crew that could support it.
Ultimately comes down to dollars and cents, what you can afford and risk.
One more thing, from an engineering and compliance perspective, the Brunswick could not have been easier. And relatively cheap.
PM me for more info
Kindest regards
Rainsey
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